Tribe.net. Local Connections Djinn http://bjork.tribe.net/thread/8fba4254-b33d-4d46-b176-26a7b4be0225#d2d3483a-8936-4938-8633-e927a5cfc6b6 2008-09-20T22:21:39Z 2008-09-20T22:21:39Z

I support Tibetan independence, violent or not. Its a brutal occupation and these people have a right to self defense. Of course I prefer nonviolent methods when viable. I dont really care if somebodies nation pride gets hurt by criticism of their authoritarian regime. Also, I would not be offended if a foreign rock star criticized US foreign policy because I would probably agree with them, despite our comparatively favorable level of domestic freedom.

Djinn 2008-09-20T22:21:39Z Theron Ttlåx http://bjork.tribe.net/thread/8fba4254-b33d-4d46-b176-26a7b4be0225#a9fe6961-bb55-42db-97d1-d7aab5d86efd 2008-09-20T20:53:41Z 2008-09-20T20:53:41Z

"If she was yelling free Shanghai, that would be great! Free Shanghai! Free Shanghai!" Yeah, I'd have to agree with that too. But so what? Free them both. "Those who put on the show should be severely fined and not allowed to bring this kind of trash in for performances.” I.e., censorship is the answer. "Call the relevant authorities! Be gone with her! What a bitch! Fuck!" If she won't shut up, MAKE her shut up. Their government would be proud. "Doesn’t surprise me that she’d do something like this." Me either. But personally, I can hardly imagine the courage it would take -- which is why I admire her so much. "Very yellow, very violent!" It's dangerous to confuse words with violence. It's the kind of thing that, again, leads to censorship and ultimately violence. "I don’t think there is any issue, so what if she sang a few lines about Tibet, we don’t need to berate the woman to death. Is our government really that sensitive?" Always has been. All dictatorships must be in order to survive. "I don’t understand, why do Western stars give a shit about Tibet. Isn’t Tibet ours?! Mind your own business!” I don't understand; why do the English give a shit about Poland? Isn't Poland ours? -- A. Hitler (figuratively speaking) "Wow, the nerve! Where did she get the courage to do this! Weirdo!” She deserves a medal -- to go to Shangjhai and say that in front of a huge crowd? I can't even, as I said, conceive of the level of courage involved. “I like Bjork, it's ok for her to have a different point of view, but for her to do this is disrespectful to fans here, very selfish of her." If some Chinese rocker came here, gave a concert and said something critical about the US, they'd get nothing but kudos. Americans love to lie down and wallow in shared guilt for being a huge, successful, and at least comparatively free country. The Chinese murder however many Tibetans and we're supposed to keep quiet about it out of respect for their feelings?!

Theron Ttlåx 2008-09-20T20:53:41Z Kristen http://bjork.tribe.net/thread/8fba4254-b33d-4d46-b176-26a7b4be0225#6c95ea8a-1764-495a-919f-670f90ad6409 2008-07-22T02:29:38Z 2008-07-22T02:29:38Z

hell yeah!

Kristen 2008-07-22T02:29:38Z Djinn http://bjork.tribe.net/thread/8fba4254-b33d-4d46-b176-26a7b4be0225#952833df-5f9d-4439-8c9d-6d08c43eedb6 2008-07-21T23:57:41Z 2008-07-21T23:57:41Z

http://tribes.tribe.net/boycottchina

Djinn 2008-07-21T23:57:41Z Phoenix Faust http://bjork.tribe.net/thread/8fba4254-b33d-4d46-b176-26a7b4be0225#997a4b11-8c49-44f7-a926-9c557e73222c 2008-07-21T23:44:52Z 2008-07-21T23:44:52Z

Iceland's avant-garde art-rock songstress, Bjork, performed to a sold-out crowd last night at the Shanghai International Gymnastic Center; her first-ever show in Shanghai – she performed once before in Beijing, circa 1996. Never ceasing to draw attention, Bjork closed the show with a 2nd encore performance of "Declare Independence" – a rousing power-to-the people anthem containing such lyrics as: "Declare independence!" "Don't let them do that to you!" "Start your own currency!" "Make your own stamp" "Protect your language" "Make your own flag!" "Raise your flag!"...etc. [lyrics] You can imagine where this might be going. At the end of the song, just before walking off stage, Bjork left the crowd with two words: "Tibet.....Tibet"......fully audible, in English. "Declare Independence" was originally written with the Faroe Islands and Greenland in mind, not Tibet. Your correspondent hasn't been able to find a reliable video clip of this yet; however, I can attest to it happening because I was there. As expected, online Chinese discussion boards (i.e. Douban, Tianya) are ripe with commentary with some saying "who cares" and showing support, but with most expressing shock and outrage. A few quotable gems (translated): "If she was yelling free Shanghai, that would be great! Free Shanghai! Free Shanghai!" "Those who put on the show should be severely fined and not allowed to bring this kind of trash in for performances.” "Call the relevant authorities! Be gone with her! What a bitch! Fuck!" "Doesn’t surprise me that she’d do something like this." "Very yellow, very violent!" "I don’t think there is any issue, so what if she sang a few lines about Tibet, we don’t need to berate the woman to death. Is our government really that sensitive?" "I don’t understand, why do Western stars give a shit about Tibet. Isn’t Tibet ours?! Mind your own business!” "Wow, the nerve! Where did she get the courage to do this! Weirdo!” “I like Bjork, it's ok for her to have a different point of view, but for her to do this is disrespectful to fans here, very selfish of her." It's unlikely Bjork will be performing again in China any time soon, if ever. Bravo. http://www.danwei.org/music/raise_your_flag_declare_indepe.php I say good on Bjork!

Phoenix Faust 2008-07-21T23:44:52Z